Claire McCaskill Comes Out Strongly AGAINST ‘Medicare For All’

it is obvious she does not understand concept of single payer.  soar 11-3 will remember when she runs for office again.  this is not what she said to delegation at union single payer meeting when she was first running for election.

Medicare For All Support Hits Record High (Again)

Al Gore On Single-Payer Healthcare

Donald Trump Rips Single-Payer Healthcare

ObamaCare problems deepen as insurers scramble to stem losses

how does an insurance company lose money?  any company that drops

obamacare should be barred from medicare advantage and audited as well



these companies have robbed folks for years and not been jailed



long term solution:  universal health care

Single-Payer Universal Health Care Explained

Single Payer Testimony

What to Say to Those Who Think Single Payer Advocates Are Wacko

Some of our Soar folks might find the following of interest. From Common Dreams and is excellent

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Published on Monday, February 8, 2010 by CommonDreams.org


What to Say to Those Who Think Single Payer Advocates Are Wacko
by Paul Hochfeld

What do we say to our more conservative friends, who genuinely think that the Single Payer solution to our health care crisis would be a disaster? Try what follows. In the end, you may simply agree to disagree. That's O.K., but what follows may give them pause to think.

Already, 60% of all our health care dollars come directly or indirectly (because employers insurance premiums are tax deductible) from the taxpayer. The care of our oldest neighbors are financed by Medicare, i.e. the taxpayers. The care of our disabled neighbors is financed by Medicaid. Ditto the care of our poorest neighbors who, because health follows wealth, are also at greater risk of high expense. Fourteen hundred insurance companies, at significant expense, stratify the rest of the population by "risk". Their top-secret formula results in them covering the employed people, small groups, and individuals who can prove that they are at low risk. What about the others? When those who can't afford the premiums get sick, go bankrupt, and can't pay their bills, "we" all pay for it in higher charges. Furthermore, employer-paid premiums are tax deductible which means insurance company profits are subsidized by the taxpayer.

As near as I can tell, this is a big taxpayer rip-off. Additionally, our non-system is fraught with numerous perverse incentives that result in more care, but not necessarily better care. Physicians must share a significant part of the blame here, but that's a different, though important, discussion. Addressing these perversities is problematic because we don't have a Health Care System we have For-Profit Sick Care Non-System that, to extent that it has any design at all, is designed to serve the for-profit insurance and the pharmaceutical industries. Perverse incentives work for those who profit from them. They don't work for patients or those who pay the bills, i.e., taxpayers.

Single payer means one risk pool. You've heard the slogan. Everyone in. Nobody out. We gather all the money that employers and individuals are currently paying for health care. It's not more money. It's the same money, already being spent on health care, but by pooling it, we can save 20% right off the top. Providers won't have negotiate fee schedules with all the different payers. Providers will only have to send bills, electronically, to one place. Furthermore, substantial savings accrue as the system matures. When an ER Doctor in Oregon sees a patient passing through town, he will access her electronic medical record in Iowa, resulting in, not just less expensive care, but better care. None of this is going to be accomplished until we have Public Health Authorities administering a health care system with the goal of health, financed publicly and delivered privately.

This isn't pie in the sky. Check out what the other developed countries are doing, but please don't respond with anecdotes. We have 45,000 new anecdotes every year that illuminate how real or perceived financial barriers to timely, appropriate care cause unnecessary death.

The real question is whose "system" produces the least number of unnecessary deaths and the least suffering for the dollars being spent? Yes, other countries are struggling because of limited resources, but they are dealing with the problems maturely, they are making difficult decisions, and, by recognizing that health is a human right, they are getting a healthier population for less cost.

Is access to appropriate health care a human right? If not, we can agree to disagree. If so, it is a legitimate function of our government to make sure that nobody falls through the cracks. Also, doesn't the government have a fiduciary responsibility to make sure the taxpayer is getting value for its health care dollars? Insurance company CEO's have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits even if it means investing large sums of money in manipulating public policy... and that's exactly what they've been doing. It's unfathomable to me that some people distrust "The United States" more than United Health Care. That may be where we end up agreeing to disagree.

In any case, the taxpayer is being ripped off, big time.

Dr. Paul Hochfeld is an ER Doctor, producer of Health Money and Fear [1], and one of the Mad As Hell Doctors who traveled to DC last September. MadAsHellDoctors.com [2]


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Claire on Singlepayer healthcare

Not all the townhall disruptions are from antihealthcare folks. some are from single-payer folks.


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some of the politicans are very likely to feel the wrath of single-payer healthcare folks next election and perhaps for a long time in the future. Many of the single-payer healthcare folks whom worked on healthcare reform for years feel a bit miffed that the democrats did not allow them to the "table" to even discuss.

June 10th, 2009 Conyers on single payer

This is the testimony of Mr. Conyers on June 10th:

Baucus flees from single payer question

Last week, this vid was made and Max Baucus flees from single payer question.

Bill Moyers 5-22-09 Donna Smith interview

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Below is snip from Bill Moyer's Journal. It is an excellent interview and asks some rather timely questions: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/watch.html

May 22, 2009
Bill Moyers speaks with advocate Donna Smith about how our broken system is hurting ordinary Americans.
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this is copyrighted materials and I shall withdraw if objections made. This will be topic for discussion the next Soar meeting in June. Second snip will be in next post and it is copyrighted interview as well.

The purpose of including these vids is for informational purposes. Many folks are interested in "What happened to single-payer" health proposals and it will be remembered at election time for some of folks running for reelection.

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Watch PBS tonight---Bill Moyer's Journal--health care

Many of you already know this:

Bill Moyers' Journal Friday evening, May 22, PBS (check local listings) Why single-payer health care isn't among the health-care reform plans under consideration. Guests include Donna Smith (California Nurses Association), Dr. Sidney Wolfe (Public Citizen) Dr. David Himmelstein (Physicians for a National Health Program).
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Why single payer is not covered in senate and Obama healthcare discussions? My opinion and solely my opinion:

incompetence and ignorance (single payer details are not widely known). We can always question some of the congressfolks competence by the way for intelligence is not a major factor in getting elected.

Most of the folks making decisions are members of oligarchy (s) of power--Wall street, Insurance companies, HMOs and on and on. Hard to crack down on your country club buddies.
You can add, none wish to be the foes of the big boys of Wall Street and we all know "voters have short memories".

Equally hard is to turn down those lobbists of the healthcare industry that spend billions to make sure that American Insurance bottomlines are the best in the world. After all, we all know that politicans take money from total strangers and owe them nothing in return.

---by the way, some of the insurance companies hit with record fines the last few years. Know who pays? Not the insurance companies, you do via higher costs. They can deduct fines off taxes and raise prices to cover expenses and deduct them as well. Sounds linke someone earned a big bonus.

Of course, the companies whom have insurance companies administer the funds know the shell game; but being part of the contry club elite--they do nothing except shift higher costs to the workers.

In a way, the insurance, drug and HMOs are taxing you all (and me too) for the gutless ones on capitol hill wishes to lie about taxes. Big business can and does tax you as well as the government.

The senator respects us, then jails single-payer folks and proposes to tax health benefits

The senator respects the single payer folks. That is no doubt why he has excluded us from healthcare talks and why he had supporters jailed. Then, they listen and nod as folks say they should tax our meager health care benefits like good sycophants. I thought John McCain lost the election, but no doubt his taxing our health benefits live with some democrats.

That congress should fawn over Wall Street folks, that is no surprise for they have done so often; but these folks take it to new levels. I have a few adjectives for these folks, but I doubt google would let me say them on their networks.

This is a vid of the latest round of folks getting jailed for speaking up for single payer healthcare. This is the last of the senate Finance committee meeting, but other congressional committees have upcoming healthcare meetings.

The congress and Obama should pat themselves on the back for the fine job they have done for the HMOS, insurance companies and drug companies.

Protecting the bottom line and perks of Wall Street, that is what our government is about these days. Change?

Again, what did we vote for the last election ? I wonder if some dems actually believe that some of us are not going to hold accountable the fearless leaders in 2010 and 2012. In Missouri, if a good deal of supporters of HR676 switch support from the dems to say the Greens; wonder what the dem count will be in congress from my state. That might well occur in other areas of the nation.

Soar 11-3 does respect the single payer folks whom represented us in congress (briefly, until jailed) and our hats off once again.

thanks again you tube

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